From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #97 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 08 : Number 097 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 60's Pop Recommendations ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: nice cold ice cold milk. [Zloduska ] Re: 60's Pop Recommendations [Eb ] Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns [Zloduska] Re: 60's Pop Recommendations [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns [Ben ] signs of the Apocalypse [Eb ] Re: signs of the Apocalypse [S Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #96 ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: signs of the Apocalypse [S Dwarf ] attention hunters and collectors ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns [Zloduska] Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns [Ben ] Dan Bern in Treetown [Natalie Jane Jacobs ] Re: 60's Pop Recommendations [normal@grove.ufl.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:57:43 -0500 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: RE: 60's Pop Recommendations It's "Ogden Nut Gone Flake" and is available (allegedly) through CDnow as an import for $19.99. - -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:bpnicast@bulldog.unca.edu] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:47 PM To: Fegmaniax Subject: Re: 60's Pop Recommendations If you like the Who I'd reccomend pretty much anything from the Small Faces. They are simlar to the Who in their blend of American R&B/Soul with sense of pop melody. Most people consider their best ones to be "Odgen's Nut Gone Flake" (hope I got that in the realm of the actual title!!!) and "There Are But Four Small Faces". I don't know about their availability domestically or as imports, so you'll have to see what's out there.... MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-03-12 13:28:33 EST, Ben writes: > > << "60's Pop" is a pretty wide umbrella! You could be talking about Jimi > Hendrix or > Burt Bacharach. What would "Pet Sounds", "Village Green", and "Rubber Soul" > be more > specifically called? >> > > Well, that was why I gave those specific examples and used a few > parenthetical descriptors, too. But I also wanted to cast a wide net and see > what might come back. But I guess I really meant stuff that's more "pop" than > "rock," although the crossover is huge, for sure. I could've maybe said > "British Invasion," but then I didn't want to exclude some potentially good > recommendations! Let's see, though . . .Hendrix and the Stones would > definitely fall outside of the zone of what I'm looking for. I know and like > Hendrix and the Stones, but, in my heart of hearts, I'm more of a popper than > a rocker. I prefer harmony vocals and Baroque arrangements to R&B-based > grooves and guitar solos. But, you know, some power chords and a little bit > of a garage sound could be cool, too. For instance, I definitely should've > also mentioned (again) the Who's "Sell Out" as being another one of my 60's > favorites. But, really, toss it all at me! :-) > > ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:02:00 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns Zloduska wrote: > Ben wrote: > > >My point was that you are apparantly judging somebody's music by who attends > >their concerts, not by the music. > > But that is not what I was doing at all. I have already said that Phish's > music seems "okay" to me (but not something I'd listen to on purpose or > become a fanatic about), however I don't like the particular "frat flock" > that they attract on college campuses. > > >I would bet that many of your favorite artists > >have a similarly stereotypical audience. > > The Geraldine Fibbers have a stereotypical audience?! Oh yeah, there are > just DROVES of rabid fans around here. I can't walk into a grocery store > without the Muzak version of "Dragon Lady" assaulting my ears! (hehe) > Well I don't know how hip your tastes are, but just about any "big" acts in your collection probably have a stereotypical audience. Personally, what I do is print up fake CD booklets for bands that don't exist, then stick them in jewel boxes, so when somebody is looking through my CD collection my cool-o-meter skyrockets. (rountine 57-works every time!) > >I'm sure we could come up with a profile > >for a typical RH fan just as accurate as that of a "Phish head" or a "Smiths > >head"*. > > I don't think you could; it would be unrealistic. In my personal expereince, the windows I walk by blaring "Bona Drag" belong to a totally interchangeable cast of characters, who ironically *despise* all other brain-dead members of society who allow themselves to be pigeonholed as such. To quote S. Flavius Maximus - "the kettle calling the pot black". As for painting a picture of the stereotypical Feg? I'll leave that to Eb, he can withstand the flames. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:51:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: nice cold ice cold milk. Comfy Chair...er...Fluffy Sarah: >Can I say hello to everyone especially EB (who incidentally has been to >described to me as "this other wierd bloke with a two letter name... >'EG') and The Great Quail who is a stone bonker. No fair...I want to be a "stone bonker" too! >I love the British press exactly because they hype things up hugely >and then drop them!! The whole EXCITEMENT and hyperbole about something >reflects to me the sheer passion of FEELING found in the best P!O!P!! Yes, I think your post communicates your appreciation for "excitement" quite well. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:05:11 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: nice cold ice cold milk. Ms. Fluffy wrote: >Wow! > >This list is truly marvellous! With all that enthusiasm, YOU should be a British rock critic. Move over Eb...heh. ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:15:48 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: 60's Pop Recommendations Terrence: >I wound't reccomend [eek, I hope the sentence gets better after this ;)] >The mamas & the Papas. They have some good tunes, but >a tendency to just switch tack entirely in mid-song. ("Ok, we've got a >good pop song. let's make the middle eight sound like a showtune now") I'll award you two brownie points for that observation. Don't ever tell that to Geir Hongro, however. ;) >The beach Boys: Today and Summer Days/Summer Nights are indispensible. >(You can get them both on one CD through BMG) Friends is good, but it's >very lightweight. (It's the most lightweight album I own, and that's >saying something.) Indeed! But...don't you own a stack of Nilsson records? Or some later missing-member Monkees albums? And weren't you the one who was just posting about Supertramp? ;) >Fever Tree: some of their songs were covered by This Mortal Coil. Huh...which ones? I'm drawing a blank right now. Oh, I'll slip in a general Eb recommendation here: the new Beth Orton album, Central Reservation. Makes everything coming out of the gooey Lilith Fair cult seem like precious fluff. Beats 'em at their own game. Bravo. I just wish her enunciation was a little better -- it's too difficult to understand the words. But the classic elegance of her songs immediately grabs you -- great stuff. Probably the best record I've heard this year, after Waits and XTC. Eb, who for some reason recalls that back at KUCI, there was a Fever Tree record in the archives, except it was stored in a completely different record jacket with "FEVER TREE" scrawled across the front in orange crayon PS While futilely trying to warm up to yet another Wilco album last night, it occured to me that I haven't posted an "Ehhh" list in quite awhile. Simultaneously, I was *also* thinking that Wilco is one of my very favorite bands...which I don't like. If you know what I mean. In other words, that's where I draw the line between "file it" and "dump it." Right up there with Radiohead, Fatboy Slim, Sloan, Built to Spill and the Apples in Stereo, I imagine. Anyway, the list: the Chamber Strings, Flotilla, Wilco, Velocette, 3 Colours Red, Gus AND Gus Gus, Joe Henry, Eminem, Elevator Through, Bijou Phillips (speaking of Mamas & Papas...), Gardener, Jimmy Eat World, Oleander, Fleming & John, D Generation, Ben Lee, Bellaluna, Three Finger Cowboy, Bailterspace, Ph Balance, Imperial Teen, 6X, Ashley Stove, Full, Pan Sonic, Zero Parade, Superkreme, Nik Kershaw, Gigolo Aunts, Looper, Fun Lovin' Criminals, Cassius, April March, Lo Fidelity All Stars, Damien Jurado, Dovetail Joint, Built to Spill, Science Park, Ester, Gordon and Grand Mal. Enjoy.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:25:44 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns Ben wrote: >Well I don't know how hip your tastes are, but just about any "big" acts in your >collection probably have a stereotypical audience. My tastes aren't "hip" at all. I tend to draw from different sources and kinds of music, based on influence from friends, exposure, or the Net. And of course, "big" artists like Neil Young and such have a certain percentage of fans that you can stereoype, just because they are similar in some ways, but I don't indentify myself as one of them. My point was that I know there are fans like that off all bands, including Phish and the Dead (and Robyn Hitchcock), who are beyond a simple stereotype. Of course, to a certain extent I also fit into some 'crowd' of music-listeners. Probably something like 'indie-rock/punk', but what do I care? I'm so much more than my 'look'. >Personally, what I do is print up fake CD booklets for bands that don't exist, >then stick them in jewel boxes, so when somebody is looking through my CD >collection my cool-o-meter skyrockets. (rountine 57-works every time!) LOL! Well, I'm not out to impress chicks with my taste in obscure Scandanavian prog-rock. >In my personal expereince, the windows I walk by blaring "Bona Drag" belong to a >totally interchangeable cast of characters, who ironically *despise* all other >brain-dead members of society who allow themselves to be pigeonholed as such. To >quote S. Flavius Maximus - "the kettle calling the pot black". Ok- you live in a sitcom, right? I bet it's one of those new-fangled GenX cartoon ones on MTV. >As for painting a picture of the stereotypical Feg? I'll leave that to Eb, he can >withstand the flames. ;) I'd think a painting of the proto-Feg would be a very colorful and surreal one. ~kjs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:57:50 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: 60's Pop Recommendations In a message dated 99-03-13 17:20:29 EST, you write: << While futilely trying to warm up to yet another Wilco album last night, it occured to me that I haven't posted an "Ehhh" list in quite awhile. Simultaneously, I was *also* thinking that Wilco is one of my very favorite bands...which I don't like. If you know what I mean. In other words, that's where I draw the line between "file it" and "dump it." Right up there with Radiohead, Fatboy Slim, Sloan, Built to Spill and the Apples in Stereo, I imagine. Anyway, the list: the Chamber Strings, Flotilla, Wilco, Velocette, 3 Colours Red, Gus AND Gus Gus, Joe Henry, Eminem, Elevator Through, Bijou Phillips (speaking of Mamas & Papas...), Gardener, Jimmy Eat World, Oleander, Fleming & John, D Generation, Ben Lee, Bellaluna, Three Finger Cowboy, Bailterspace, Ph Balance, Imperial Teen, 6X, Ashley Stove, Full, Pan Sonic, Zero Parade, Superkreme, Nik Kershaw, Gigolo Aunts, Looper, Fun Lovin' Criminals, Cassius, April March, Lo Fidelity All Stars, Damien Jurado, Dovetail Joint, Built to Spill, Science Park, Ester, Gordon and Grand Mal. >> I just wanted to throw in a vote for Looper as being better than just "ehhh"(tm). It's not fantastic, but it's kinda cute and weird, and I like it! It's by one of the guys from Belle and Sebastian and is out on Sub Pop. The Built to Spill is quite good, although I think the only one I would own by them is still "There's Nothing Wrong With Love." And, of course, I feel the need to mention once again that I think the new Wilco (np, in fact!) is totally great. Okay, that's all. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:20:47 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns Zloduska wrote: > Of course, to a > certain extent I also fit into some 'crowd' of music-listeners. Of course, we all do. Yikes!!! ;) > Probably > something like 'indie-rock/punk', but what do I care? I'm so much more > than my 'look'. But why bother having a indie rock/punk "look", when you are more than that? Doesn't it send out the wrong message? Like if I wanted to say "I am a Deadhead, other Deadheads talk to me!" then there is an indentifiable costume to do such. But I don't want to do that. Personally, I am constantly approached by people wanting to sell me pornography.... ;) > >In my personal expereince, the windows I walk by blaring "Bona Drag" > belong to a > >totally interchangeable cast of characters, who ironically *despise* all > other > >brain-dead members of society who allow themselves to be pigeonholed as > such. To > >quote S. Flavius Maximus - "the kettle calling the pot black". > > Ok- you live in a sitcom, right? I bet it's one of those new-fangled GenX > cartoon ones on MTV. Yes I do, and it looks like you do too. You should be able to tell that from looking at my e-mail address. ;) > >As for painting a picture of the stereotypical Feg? I'll leave that to Eb, > he can > >withstand the flames. ;) > > I'd think a painting of the proto-Feg would be a very colorful and surreal > one. I don't know, but I bet 90% of true Fegs know what a "Tardis" is. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: "it smells like phish down here..."/60's pop Eb wrote: > >*my prediction for the next decade is that Smith/Moz fans will become the new > >great stereotypical fan-group for the new millenium that everyone will grow to > >hate. Trust me, I am in tune with the kids!!! ;) > > Oh, I *already* hate them. ;) thing i hate about this list #2: everytime i have something to say, someone else says it first. :) and someone else said: >2 Love: Forever Changes or get LoveStory, which has all of Forever Changes, all but a the really long one off of Da Capo[sp?], and a lot of the first album, plus some otherwise unavailable tracks from that era, and about an albums worth of post forever changes stuff, though a lot of the last category of stuff is pretty mediocre. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:27:42 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: 60's/90's Pop Recommendations On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Eb wrote: > PS While futilely trying to warm up to yet another Wilco album last night, > it occured to me that I haven't posted an "Ehhh" list in quite awhile. curiously, i also find that _summerteeth_ requires "trying to warm up to." i'm scarcely inclined to dump it, mind you, but it sure don't hit me the way _being there_ did. - -- d. p.s. if anyone still cares, pcaverns update today. "pictures of perfection make me sick and wicked." -- miss jane austen - - oh no!! you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net dmw@mwmw.com - - get yr pathos:www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:29:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: signs of the Apocalypse So I read in the newspaper today that Paul Stanley of KISS is going to be starring in a production of "Phantom of the Opera" in Toronto. Have mercy.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: signs of the Apocalypse Eb wrote: > So I read in the newspaper today that Paul Stanley of > KISS is going to be starring in a production of > "Phantom of the Opera" in Toronto. > > Have mercy.... it's on andrew lloyd webber; it's not like he's doing legitimate musical theater. when he does _south pacific_ then panic. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:14:13 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V8 #96 >calendar.> > >you're fuckin'-a right you will, punk. that's bayard's motherfucking >birthday!!!!! ...and my10th motherfucking wedding anniverasy!!!! (My wife hates it when I refer to it as our "motherfucking wedding") - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:22:39 -0800 (PST) From: S Dwarf Subject: Re: signs of the Apocalypse S Dwarf wrote: >Eb wrote: >> So I read in the newspaper today that Paul Stanley of >> KISS is going to be starring in a production of >> "Phantom of the Opera" in Toronto. >> >> Have mercy.... > > it's on andrew lloyd webber; it's not like he's doing legitimate _only_ ALW, though on ALW would be fine as well, as it could injure him. aw, fuck it..... > musical theater. when he does _south pacific_ then panic. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:15:07 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: attention hunters and collectors just checked e-bay and saw three of the more sought after Hitchcock releases listed. Brenda Of the Light Bulb Eyes (video comp) Royal Queen Albert & Beautiful Homer (Dylan tribute promo) Alvin Lives In Leeds (compilation w/ Robyn's "King Fu Fighting") current bid on the prized RQA&BH promo is about 40 bucks. Other items are much more reasonable (for the moment). - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:18:47 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: one more e-bay nugget >just checked e-bay and saw three of the more sought after Hitchcock releases >listed. > >Brenda Of the Light Bulb Eyes (video comp) >Royal Queen Albert & Beautiful Homer (Dylan tribute promo) >Alvin Lives In Leeds (compilation w/ Robyn's "King Fu Fighting") add to that the "Live Death" promo, currently a steal at $9.99 - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:43:50 -0600 From: Zloduska Subject: Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns Ben wrote: >> Probably >> something like 'indie-rock/punk', but what do I care? I'm so much more >> than my 'look'. > >But why bother having a indie rock/punk "look", when you are more than that? >Doesn't it send out the wrong message? Like if I wanted to say "I am a >Deadhead, other Deadheads talk to me!" then there is an indentifiable costume >to do such. But I don't want to do that. That's not what I meant. I don't have *any* sort of look on purpose. However, I cannot help how others choose to perceive me. Don't most people instantly categorize strangers into some generic group? That was just an estimate of my own outward artificial subgroup. But like I said, I don't care! ;-) The wrong message is almost always going to be sent out, regardless. >Personally, I am constantly approached by people wanting to sell me >pornography.... ;) Uhh...are you possibly sending out the wrong message here? Perhaps you should stop wearing that Playboy t-shirt out in public. >> Ok- you live in a sitcom, right? I bet it's one of those new-fangled GenX >> cartoon ones on MTV. > >Yes I do, and it looks like you do too. You should be able to tell that from >looking at my e-mail address. ;) Err...you're an animated bulldog? >> I'd think a painting of the proto-Feg would be a very colorful and surreal >> one. > >I don't know, but I bet 90% of true Fegs know what a "Tardis" is. ;) Except for me. Bah. ~kjs psst..And oh, speaking of putting up with retarded fans of lame bands, guess who is playing here in May, RIGHT NEXT DOOR? N' Sync! I shall go hide in the cellar for a night. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:07:37 -0500 From: Ben Subject: Re: Simple to cook, but better than you have ever tasted prawns Zloduska wrote: > > >Yes I do, and it looks like you do too. You should be able to tell that from > >looking at my e-mail address. ;) > > Err...you're an animated bulldog? > No! I live on a college campus... jeeez!!! : ( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:14:09 -0500 (EST) From: Ross Overbury Subject: Re: 60's Pop Recommendations On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 normal@grove.ufl.edu wrote: > I wound't reccomend The mamas & the Papas. They have some good tunes, but > a tendency to just switch tack entirely in mid-song. ("Ok, we've got a > good pop song. let's make the middle eight sound like a showtune now") There's Cass Elliot solo material as well. I've got a good LP she made with Dave Mason. I doubt it's in print now. That Voice could redeem a smarmy showtune if you ask me. > The Turtles: If you can get it cheap, get "Happy Together". It's not a > real necessity, but it sounds good. They've got the Monkees sort of > pop/bubblegum sound. Yes, and "Eleanore" is another goodie. And "Have You Heard the Cows". I'm probably not informing anyone by saying this, but I'll do so anyway -- two of the Turtles are Flo and Eddie of Frank Zappa's lineup. > Others: Donovan Yes! Donovan would fit in Michael's list very well, and not just as an also-ran. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:39:00 -0500 (EST) From: Natalie Jane Jacobs Subject: Dan Bern in Treetown OK, so I went to see Dan Bern, 'cos all of you love him so much. (Well, a vocal minority, anyway. :) I'd heard his debut album and was unimpressed by it, but I thought one of his fabled live performances might sway me. And you know what? He was pretty good. He's an excellent performer - very energetic, a real crowd-pleaser: he even did a little impromptu song about Ann Arbor, in which he claimed that the last time he had been in town, it had been in the Central Time Zone ("Stay put!" he urged). His musical explanation of how Neil Young, Bob Dylan, and Bruce Springsteen got their voices was also hilarious. On the debit side, some of his humor fell really flat (too arch and obvious), and the songs themselves all sounded the same - in fact, this was the first show I've ever been to where the performance was actually stronger than the material being performed. Also, anyone who writes a song about Charlie Manson in this day and age needs to be horse-whipped. But all in all, I enjoyed myself, and I also managed to walk off with the bit of incense he passed out in order to "control the senses" of the audience ("Whenever you think of me, you'll think of a sweet smell"), so I feel I got my money's worth. Eddie and Mark, you don't have to reimburse me, though I wouldn't mind getting my parking fee back. Can you both send me 50 cents? :) Oddly enough, both times I've been to the Ark, someone in the audience (not the same person, I think) has shouted, "We love you!" Kristin Hersh's response: "Awww... that's sweet." Dan Bern's response (clearly in a surly mood): "You don't know me." Oh, and I could have sworn I saw Eddie in the audience, but it wasn't him. n. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:16:41 -0500 (EST) From: normal@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Re: 60's Pop Recommendations On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Eb wrote: > >The beach Boys: Today and Summer Days/Summer Nights are indispensible. > >(You can get them both on one CD through BMG) Friends is good, but it's > >very lightweight. (It's the most lightweight album I own, and that's > >saying something.) > > Indeed! But...don't you own a stack of Nilsson records? Or some later > missing-member Monkees albums? And weren't you the one who was just posting > about Supertramp? ;) Yes, no, and yes, respectively. But even "Harry" and "Nilsson Sings Newman" have songs that rock a little. "Friends" doesn't. The subject matter is also a level or two wimpier than The Monkees or Nilsson usually gets (ok, not _quite_ as wimpy as some of those Davy Jones ballads. I don't think I know of any song wimpier than "The Day We Fall In Love", but the rest of the album balances it out, wimp-wise [but not quality-wise.]) being: friendship, sunrise, Brian Wilson puttering around in his house, TM, etc. The liner notes thank Al's mom for renting them a bass saxophone or something like that. The beach Boys were always squares, though. Back in the early days on songs like "County Fair", they'd put in dialogue between a couple in the instrumental bits. But they'd never actually get a woman to play the female parts, they'd just have someone read it falsetto. "Friends" is the culmination of that sort of thing. > >Fever Tree: some of their songs were covered by This Mortal Coil. > > Huh...which ones? I'm drawing a blank right now. "Filigree and Shadow", for one, on the album of the same name.. I think that others were, but I don't recall. Terrence Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #97 ******************************