From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #76 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- at it again.... [Bayard ] Re: three times is magic [Tom Clark ] yeah? so's your old man [Eb ] Re: yeah? so's your old man [Capuchin ] Pop music theory [Capuchin ] Re: at it again.... [Eric Loehr ] Re: Pop music theory [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: at it again.... [Tom Clark ] Re: Pop music theory [Uber Krautmeyer ] JIFF [Eb ] Re: Pop music theory [Tom Clark ] Re: Pop music theory [Capuchin ] Re: Pop music theory [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Pop music theory [Capuchin ] Re: Pop music theory [Uber Krautmeyer ] Re: Pop music theory [Tom Clark ] Re: Self-Referencing song lyrics [was: Pop music theory] [MARKEEFE@aol.co] RE: Pop music theory ["Caroline Smith" ] Re: Pop music theory [Christopher Gross ] Re: Pop music theory [Christopher Gross ] Re: Pop music theory [Tom Clark ] Re: Pop music theory [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Pop music theory [MARKEEFE@aol.com] How's the Water...? ["Paul Christian Glenn" ] Re: correcting the great kiwi [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan] Re: Pop music theory [Christopher Gross ] The adoreable Theodore [digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)] numan! [dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich)] Re: Pop music theory [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: at it again.... VALLETTA (Reuters) - Pensioner Francis Buhagiar didn't like the breakfast his sister put in front of him -- so he shot her dead, a Maltese court heard. Police witnesses told the court 68-year-old Buhagiar had admitting shooting his sister Maria, 76, last month because of the breakfast argument. Maltese newspapers reported at the time of the incident that the argument began over burned toast. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:53:09 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: three times is magic I remember discussing this a few years ago on this list. I found the best way to get into a new CD is to listen to it straight through a few times, then put it on shuffle play. That way you get to experience the now familiar songs in their own context. On a related note, when The Replacements' "Don't Tell A Soul" album came out I went to an in-store they had at Newbury Comics in Kenmore Square (Boston). I asked Chris Mars if it was annoying listening to the album over and over as it was piped into the store all day, and he just kind of glanced up at the speakers with one of those "I didn't even notice" looks and said "Not really." Of course, the table was full of empty Heinekin bottles... man, it's a nice day today! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:38:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: yeah? so's your old man I couldn't live without peanut butter and strawberry jam. Eb, finally seeing Elliott Smith tomorrow night, not sure if he'll get to see Sleater-Kinney two days later and still debating whether he's weenie enough to wait hours in line on Friday just to get an Apple Venus CD autographed np: "When Animals Attack Magicians" on tv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:48:31 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: yeah? so's your old man On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Eb wrote: > I couldn't live without peanut butter and strawberry jam. I'm more partial to preserves than jam, but I'm with you. We had this conversation on the list just a couple of months ago, but... JIFF?? What the FUCK? JIFF??? How can you eat that partially hydrogenated corn and vegetable oil and sugar shit? Get some real peanut butter, Eb. I'm serious. You won't be nearly as afraid of people calling you a weenie or poseur. You'll just feel better. J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:54:38 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Pop music theory Oh, does THIS ever segue nicely into a little pet thought of mine... On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > Well, I think I gave the "pretty forgettable" verdict, but only to > "Fruit Nut." [snippage] > But, nah, one good line (in "Fruit Nut") > doesn't make a song for me. As Liz said: "It sounds like a commercial." And > I think she meant that it sounded like a bad commercial -- not like a Who > "Sell Out" commercial (see, Eb, how I weaved that in? ;-)). It SHOULD sound like a commercial. Or rather, that's the origin of the stuff. We've abstracted it a little, but showing your roots isn't entirely awful. I was talking to a friend a while back about pop music. She said that pop music is POPULAR music... that it has to be enjoyed by the masses to be in that genre. It became this stupid semantic struggle. She told me to "look it up". So I did. My dictionary had two entries that I thought were relevent. There was "pops concert" and "pop art". A pops concert is something else that some might consider closely related to pop music. I say "nope". I was more interested in the definition of pop art. My dictionary said that pop art was the application of commercial art aesthetics to fine art (particularly painting and sculpture). That got me thinking. Pop art in painting we all know. Screen prints and things that look like soup cans or detergent boxes or comic book panels. Pop art in music, then would be music that contains heavy hooks like commercial jingles, but for purely expressive, artistic results. In a sense, the pop song is a commercial jingle with no product to move. More on this at another time. Does anyone have an opinion? Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: at it again.... Knowing the folks on this list, I can't be the first to do this, but does anyone else feel compelled to sing this version of Ted, Woody, and Junior?: Ted, Woody and Junior Stand in the bath together And cover each other with toast (Cover each other with toast) Cover each other with toast See, toast doesn't *just* have to be the cause of sibling target practice... (it's a dessert topping *and* a floor wax!) Eric, who also likes (toasted) english mufffins On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Bayard wrote: > VALLETTA (Reuters) - Pensioner Francis Buhagiar didn't like the breakfast > his sister put in front of him -- so he shot her dead, a Maltese court > heard. > Police witnesses told the court 68-year-old Buhagiar had admitting > shooting his sister Maria, 76, last month because of the breakfast > argument. > > Maltese newspapers reported at the time of the incident that the argument > began over burned toast. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:49:07 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop music theory In a message dated 99-03-02 16:05:35 EST, you write: << It SHOULD sound like a commercial. Or rather, that's the origin of the stuff. We've abstracted it a little, but showing your roots isn't entirely awful. I was talking to a friend a while back about pop music. She said that pop music is POPULAR music... that it has to be enjoyed by the masses to be in that genre. It became this stupid semantic struggle. She told me to "look it up". So I did. I was more interested in the definition of pop art. My dictionary said that pop art was the application of commercial art aesthetics to fine art (particularly painting and sculpture). That got me thinking. Pop art in painting we all know. Screen prints and things that look like soup cans or detergent boxes or comic book panels. Pop art in music, then would be music that contains heavy hooks like commercial jingles, but for purely expressive, artistic results. In a sense, the pop song is a commercial jingle with no product to move. More on this at another time. Does anyone have an opinion? >> No, not me. Oh, no, wait: Of course I do! In fact, you (Jeme) and I talked about this before, in real life. I think, actually, that music for commercials and "pop" songs are both abstractions of Top 40 music and that Top 40 Music would be more analogous to commercial art. Because, really, Top 40 music exists almost solely for the sake of selling itself, whereas music for commercial exist to sell something else -- some product. Therefore, trends in jingles (or background music in ads) tend to *follow* trends in Top 40 music. So, when a "pop" song sounds like a commercial, it's really sounding like something (a commercial) which sounds like something else (a Top 40 song). But I agree with the basic sentiment. When I say "pop music," I mean just what Gem E. said: music which has all the "hooks" found in commercial music forms (Top 40, jingles) but which is produced as more of an artictic venture (which isn't to say that commercial success isn't considered; just that selling a million records isn't the primary goal). Good analysis, Dr. J! - -------Michael K., np "The Hot Rock" into a soda can, tied to a string, leading to another soda can into which Eddie Tews is also playing "The Hot Rock," 180 miles or so to the north. Somewhere in Centralia, Washington, several people implode. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:57:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: at it again.... On 3/2/99 11:48 AM, Bayard wrote: >VALLETTA (Reuters) - Pensioner Francis Buhagiar didn't like the breakfast >his sister put in front of him -- so he shot her dead, a Maltese court >heard. >Police witnesses told the court 68-year-old Buhagiar had admitting >shooting his sister Maria, 76, last month because of the breakfast >argument. > >Maltese newspapers reported at the time of the incident that the argument >began over burned toast. I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, she had it coming! mmmmmm, toast with peanut butter... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:05:07 -0800 (PST) From: Uber Krautmeyer Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Capuchin wrote: > In a sense, the pop song is a commercial jingle with no product to move. > > More on this at another time. Does anyone have an opinion? > Je. I would have to disagree. Pop songs are commercial jingles with an extremely important product to move: the song itself. In a much broader sense, the song is "advertising" the artist and, by extention, the record label. Cheers! - -Glen- "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, do the other trees make fun of it?" --source unknown )+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net )+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:07:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: JIFF >JIFF??? JIFF is not a brand of peanut butter, Jaymieux. You must be thinking of .JIFF, that new graphical format designed to be thinly spread between two Photoshop layers. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:01:13 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Pop music theory On 3/2/99 12:54 PM, Capuchin wrote: >In a sense, the pop song is a commercial jingle with no product to move. Au contraire, Zhem! The product is the artist, and it's often explicitly so - e.g., "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" - -tc (the password is "explicit") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Pop music theory First wrote: > In a sense, the pop song is a commercial jingle with no product to move. Then MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > I think, actually, that music for commercials and "pop" songs are both > abstractions of Top 40 music and that Top 40 Music would be more analogous to > commercial art. Because, really, Top 40 music exists almost solely for the > sake of selling itself, whereas music for commercial exist to sell something > else -- some product. Then Tom Clark wrote: > Au contraire, Zhem! The product is the artist, and it's often explicitly > so - e.g., "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" And finally, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: > I would have to disagree. Pop songs are commercial jingles with an > extremely important product to move: the song itself. > In a much broader sense, the song is "advertising" the artist and, by > extention, the record label. I think selling the jingle as the product is the art. The aesthetic was developed to keep something in a person's head so that they would recall it later. It's an advertising technique designed to sell other products. Adopting those techniques and that aesthetic for the sake of glorifying the technique (or satirizing it) and producing the WORK ITSELF is pop art. Andy Warhol didn't do the Campbell's cans to make fun of Campbell's. He did it for the sake of the painting... and yeah, he sold that painting. And you can buy prints of that painting. And he used that aesthetic to sell his art. That doesn't make his work anything other than pop art just as using the hooks and jingle techniques to sell music doesn't make it any less pop music. It's about being a jingle. It's about using a commercial art form to relate a non-commercial sentiment (and that just means you're not explicitly endorsing a commercial product... more often than not [and much more often than makes me comfortable] you're endorsing sappy romantic involvement). You dig? J. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: > I would have to disagree. Pop songs are commercial jingles with an > extremely important product to move: the song itself. this is a very important difference from other commercial art, though. no matter how cynical we get about the labels wanting to market artists, image, et cetera (and i can get pretty cynical), listening to music is pleasurable for reasons we don't really understand. normally, the idea that if you enjoy the ad you'll enjoy the product is the big lie that advertisers try to sell us on; with pop music, it's a tautology. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Aaron Mandel wrote: > this is a very important difference from other commercial art, though. no > matter how cynical we get about the labels wanting to market artists, > image, et cetera (and i can get pretty cynical), listening to music > is pleasurable for reasons we don't really understand. normally, the idea > that if you enjoy the ad you'll enjoy the product is the big lie that > advertisers try to sell us on; with pop music, it's a tautology. Aaron stated this much better than I did. I would extend it to all pop art, however. It is the purpose of pop art to enjoy the work itself, even though it is designed specifically with the appeal of commercial art. This is a pointless message. Je. - -- ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Uber Krautmeyer Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > Au contraire, Zhem! The product is the artist, and it's often explicitly > so - e.g., "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" This is a great segue into a new thread: How many songs mention the name of the artist who performs it somewhere in the lyrics? "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" "Give It To The Soft Boys" "Wild Wild West" - The Escape Club "Show Biz Kidz" - Steely Dan "Hey Hey We're The Monkees" (Hi Terry!) "Killer Queen" "Who Are You?" "Stray Cat Strut" "Bad Company" "In The Court Of The Crimson King" (kinda) I'm away from my records at the moment, so this is completely off the top of my head. I'm sure there are dozens more. Cheers! - -Glen-, who always wanted to call a band "Napoleon In Rags" and have them do a cover of "Like A Rolling Stone". )+()+()+()+()+( Glen Uber uberg@sonic.net )+()+()+()+()+( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:07:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Pop music theory On 3/2/99 3:42 PM, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: >This is a great segue into a new thread: > >How many songs mention the name of the artist who performs it somewhere in >the lyrics? > >"Everybody Have Fun Tonight" >"Give It To The Soft Boys" >"Wild Wild West" - The Escape Club >"Show Biz Kidz" - Steely Dan >"Hey Hey We're The Monkees" (Hi Terry!) >"Killer Queen" >"Who Are You?" >"Stray Cat Strut" >"Bad Company" >"In The Court Of The Crimson King" (kinda) "Talk Talk" "They Might Be Giants" (I think that's the name of the song) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:28:01 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Self-Referencing song lyrics [was: Pop music theory] In a message dated 99-03-02 18:51:03 EST, you write: << > Au contraire, Zhem! The product is the artist, and it's often explicitly > so - e.g., "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" This is a great segue into a new thread: How many songs mention the name of the artist who performs it somewhere in the lyrics? >> Well, obviously, there's every rap record ever made! Some comedian did a little bit on this once, making fun of rappers for always having to mention themselves in their songs and saying that someone like Eric Clapton never has to do that kind of crap. - ------Michael K. (who doesn't have enough of a "signature sound" to go without signing his name at the bottom of his posts) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:36:47 -0500 From: "Caroline Smith" Subject: RE: Pop music theory hi, 3 things: 1. I completely forgot to mention that I saw Andy of XTC here in Toronto on the weekend. If you want details, just ask. 2. Sleater Kinney seems to be all over the place. If you know when they'll be in Toronto (or already have been, heaven forbid!) can ya fill me in? 3. ads don't lie. cfs > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Aaron Mandel > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:47 PM > To: Fegmaniax List > Subject: Re: Pop music theory > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: > > > I would have to disagree. Pop songs are commercial jingles with an > > extremely important product to move: the song itself. > > this is a very important difference from other commercial art, though. no > matter how cynical we get about the labels wanting to market artists, > image, et cetera (and i can get pretty cynical), listening to music > is pleasurable for reasons we don't really understand. normally, the idea > that if you enjoy the ad you'll enjoy the product is the big lie that > advertisers try to sell us on; with pop music, it's a tautology. > > a > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > On 3/2/99 3:42 PM, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: > > >This is a great segue into a new thread: > > > >How many songs mention the name of the artist who performs it somewhere in > >the lyrics? "Motorhead," Motorhead "My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult," My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult "Fight for Your Right," Beastie Boys "A Drug Against War," "Light," and probably others by KMFDM "Wild America," Iggy Pop (well, he only says Iggy, but I think that's good enough. It's not like his name is Jim or John or Bob....) Oh, and then there's that Who song that goes "Whooooooooooooo are you, Who who, who who?", though that's kind of cheating. Did Yes ever write a song containing the word "Yes"? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > On 3/2/99 3:42 PM, Uber Krautmeyer wrote: > > >This is a great segue into a new thread: > > > >How many songs mention the name of the artist who performs it somewhere in > >the lyrics? "Motorhead," Motorhead "My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult," My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult "Fight for Your Right," Beastie Boys "A Drug Against War," "Light," and probably others by KMFDM "Wild America," Iggy Pop (well, he only says Iggy, but I think that's good enough. It's not like his name is Jim or John or Bob....) Oh, and then there's that Who song that goes "Whooooooooooooo are you, Who who, who who?", though that's kind of cheating. Did Yes ever write a song containing the word "Yes"? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:08:20 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Pop music theory On 3/2/99 4:58 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: >"Wild America," Iggy Pop (well, he only says Iggy, but I think that's good >enough. It's not like his name is Jim... Well, actually it is... ;) picking nits, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:34:12 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop music theory In a message dated 99-03-02 17:54:17 EST, you write: << this is a very important difference from other commercial art, though. no matter how cynical we get about the labels wanting to market artists, image, et cetera (and i can get pretty cynical), listening to music is pleasurable for reasons we don't really understand. normally, the idea that if you enjoy the ad you'll enjoy the product is the big lie that advertisers try to sell us on; with pop music, it's a tautology. >> But couldn't the phenomenon of the "Top 40 hit single" be seen as something akin to a commercial jingle for the rest of the album? I mean, I'd think that most albums that sell millions of copies do so based on people hearing one or maybe two good songs on the radio and then buying the album on good faith that the rest of the album will live up to the promise of what was essentially advertised to them via the hit single. And how many people go around moaning about hat one good song and how the rest of the album is pretty lame. Let me tell you: TONS! Of course, this is an argument for a pretty specific kind of music listening. And it's one that probably most of us don't subscribe to, or, at least, haven't subscribed to for years (or decades). We probably mostly read about good albums on mailing lists and in publications. Also, the stuff we like has to hold up to tougher standards, because we're not going to buy a whole album just because Feg X (who's Feg X this week, anyway?) says that there's one good song on it. No, gosh darn it, we want *at least* 10 out of 13 good songs! I'm not sure how this all ties into defining "pop music." Oh, I guess it's in that with "pop-art music" there's a closer tie between what you see and what you get. You see a picture of a soup can, you buy it, and you go home with a picture of a soup can. Same with Robyn Hitchcock albums, in a way. There's no extra layer of advertising going on. There's no slight of hand. But with someone like Everlast, all you have is a name tied to a "jingle" (whatever their hit song was), with the implied message being: "Okay, kids, this is all we're gonna give you for free; now buy the damn album and take your chances!" - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:39:58 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Pop music theory In a message dated 99-03-02 19:58:32 EST, you write: << Did Yes ever write a song containing the word "Yes"? >> Yes! I can't remember what it is right now, but I can hear it in my head. It might even be from "Drama" (Eb?). It's kind of a background vocal thing. "Yes, yes" in between other lines, IIRC. "From the moment I see you . . . (yes, yes) . . . I want to be near you . . . (yes, yes) . . . " then I think the whole stanza ends with several harmonized voices doing one "Yes!" I'll have to take a listen later, though. See if I got my info right. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:16:45 -0600 From: "Paul Christian Glenn" Subject: How's the Water...? Greetings, all. List newbie, here. Just thought I would introduce myself before going into lurk mode. I was recently introduced to the music of Robyn Hitchcock through a friend (who, incidentally, knew about RH long before he decided to share it!), and I'm hooked. There's not a lot of info on the web, so, being a discussion-list veteran, I decided to start a RH list. To my surprise, it already existed. So here I am. I've only got a few cd's right now ("Globe of Frogs", "Perspex Island", and "Respect"). At present, "Globe of Frogs" is my favorite. Due to RH's giant discography, any recommendations would be welcome. Resuming lurk mode.... Paul Christian Glenn cirhsein@firinn.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:22:19 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: correcting the great kiwi great? lesser spotted, may be.... >James sez, > >> Much of the Skylarking album can >>be interpreted within a Wiccan spirit. > >Well... pagan, really, not Wiccan. Wicca is one subset of neo-paganism, in the same way that, say, Lutherans are one type of Christian. There are other types of neo-paganism as well, though Wicca is the most common. that is true. And as many things that are generally Chrristian can also be interpreted within a Lutheran spirit, so many neo-pagan things can be interpreted within a Wiccan spirit. Personally I agree thatXTC's Skylarking album is more generally pagan than specifically Wiccan, but this was in support of a message on the Wiccan Rede, and that 'can be interpreted' still holds. James (hoping the heavy duty phlegm and larinytis clears up long before the equinox...) James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Pop music theory On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Tom Clark wrote: > >"Wild America," Iggy Pop (well, he only says Iggy, but I think that's good > >enough. It's not like his name is Jim... > > Well, actually it is... ;) D'oh! I should have stuck with my first draft: "It's not like his name is Aloysius or John or Bob...." - --Chris the Absent-minded ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:51:06 +1200 From: digja611@student.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: The adoreable Theodore >Happy Dr. Seuss's birthday, everyone! Theodore Giesel would have been 95 >today. > >Did anyone mention Dr. Seuss in the FegBooks thread? I can't remember. I'd be surprised if no-one did... anyone who's read the introductory page of a certain feg's webpage (I spy with my little eye something beginning with Q) will know that he is a Seussfan from way back... and I bet there's more of us that are, too! James (battling with a paddle in a puddle in a bottle on a poodle eating noodles) James Dignan ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** Dunedin, New Zealand ***NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS*** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 03:02:05 GMT From: dwdudic@erols.com (David W. Dudich) Subject: numan! >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:28:24 -0600 >From: amadain >Subject: Re: three times is magic > >>(If anybody's still following me on the DSM Songs project: I found songs >>for almost everything. Still looking for something for Schizotypal >>Personality Disorder, and I do think there must be an appropriate RH song >>if only I could figure out what it is: some of the more surrealistic > >Two words: Gary Numan. > >"Observer" and "Me I Disconnect From You" seem the most obvious off the top >of my head, but it's a strong theme throughout his work (particularly >"Replicas" and "The Pleasure Principle"). As a Recovering Numaholic (yes, I admit I had a problem- I'm a Jericoholic now though!! :-))), I can attest to this. What about "are friends electric?" "The joy circuit"? anyway..... Any word on Storefront playing in Baltimore/Washington? -luther ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:03:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Pop music theory Michael: >Also, the stuff we >like has to hold up to tougher standards, because we're not going to buy a >whole album just because Feg X (who's Feg X this week, anyway?) says that >there's one good song on it. No, gosh darn it, we want *at least* 10 out of >13 good songs! Or failing that, an overall album concept to make the individual songs seem more substantial...right, Michael? ;P ><< Did Yes ever write a song containing the word "Yes"? >> > > Yes! I can't remember what it is right now, but I can hear it in my >head. It might even be from "Drama" (Eb?). It's kind of a background vocal >thing. "Yes, yes" in between other lines, IIRC. "From the moment I see you . >. . (yes, yes) . . . I want to be near you . . . (yes, yes) . . . " then I >think the whole stanza ends with several harmonized voices doing one "Yes!" > I'll have to take a listen later, though. See if I got my info right. You're thinking of "Tempus Fugit." And yes, it says "Yes, Yes," etc. Yes indeed. I believe that Bo Diddley has several songs with "Bo Diddley" in the title. I don't think Creedence Clearwater Revival ever managed to employ this conceit, however. Though Jefferson Airplane do that long Donovan cover on "Bless Its Pointed Little Head" where they implore the world to "Fly Jefferson Airplane...gets you there on time...." Feg XXIII, who won't be applying himself to this thread, otherwise np: gawd, I really need to go catch up on the pile ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #76 ******************************