From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V8 #34 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 2 1999 Volume 08 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "this man had a skin disease. thank you, good night." ["Capitalism Blows] Gone Babelfishin' [Christopher Gross ] Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." [cinders blue ] "Sue pours the cognac over the frying placenta, which then bursts into flames" [fred is ted ] fegdream #371.8 [Mark_Gloster@3com.com] Alternative Top 100 [Richard Plumb at NTAC ] Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys [Joel Mullins ] Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." ["Capitalism Blows" ] Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys [MARKEEFE@aol.com] Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys [Joel Mullins ] Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys [Eb ] Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:38:14 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: "this man had a skin disease. thank you, good night." is it just me, or is it *impossible* to get Rattling Bog out of your head for the entire day if you've listened to it in the morning? not that this is a bad thing, necessarily. http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Gone Babelfishin' On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > this is a preview of the madrid show, which was sent to me by a very > kind lurker. unfortunately, i don't know spanish from the hole in my > ass, and altavista's babelfish isn't much help at all. Actually, I tried it, and it's not that bad! In fact, after attaining good results with the first paragraph, I said fuck it and just Babelfished the whole thing. (Another example of how addictive words can be.) This is all Babelfish's work; although I know a *little* Spanish, I did not intervene aside from fixing a couple of definite typos in the original (eg, "la otra" instead of "laotra") and adding capital letters and quotation marks. Sure, the English is a tad awkward, and the translator simply failed in one or two places. Still, I think it has a certain charm. Enjoy! "Robyn Hitchcock (London, 1953) takes to taste the being considered like a cult musician. 'The majorities are mistaken generally,' says. The circuits of the majority rock disgust to him. Its solitary route, nevertheless, him has deparado faithful admirers. Among them, the cinema director Jonathan Demme, who finishes releasing a documentary one on his live performances, in which she combines stories and songs. Hitchcock acts today in Madrid. "Robyn Hitchcock has been forming its style throughout 20 years and now it is when owner of the scene seems to feel. Magician of the small rooms where usually he acts and where excites to his public with fantastic stories improvised between song and song. 'They are histories that are happened to me at the moment,' it affirms, although he is something difficult to believe. In the disc that finishes sending with the music that it interprets in the film that Jonathan Demme has made on him can be felt how the public puts in the delirious history of minotaurs that they kidnap to a man and they take it under earth turned into pump, on the verge of exploding in the center of London. "Lamentably, the limitations of the language can change the tone of the spectacle. 'He is different in each place. If I am in Spain, for example, I try to speak in Spanish, although my vocabulary is reduced to 75 words,' explains. 'Histories go with the songs. They are as photographies that give different aspects you from a same situation. Music is something more emotional, in her fits any feeling. The stories have to do more with thoughts than with the feelings. Histories are mind, and the songs, heart.' "'There are many ways to take people to your own world,' continues. 'I think that most of the people one counts histories to itself of subconscious form, although in the watch they do not pay attention to them. When they only are on the verge of remaining slept, or during the dream, they listen to them, they see them. Sometimes one begins to dream before remaining slept. I believe that what I cultivate is that line sharpened between the conscious thing and the unconscious thing. That both realities invade the one to the other.' "In certain form, the dark of the scene, the reduced premises, helps to create that atmosphere ambiguous, similar to the one of the cinema. It films that Demme has done based on a series of live performances of Hitchcock takes advantage of that circumstance. 'He is exactly that what it has caught the film,' affirms Hitchcock. 'What I do it is music cocktail. Glasses can be taken while it listening. It is not music to dance. More approaches which is to listen to music by the radio, ballads that accompany to you. Before, with the rock, people could listen to a counted history in a song of 15 minutes. The public one was more patient. What I do is the opposed thing to the rock. The rock is as a dog with the language were, that comes and it throws his bone to you on the feet. You want it or no. The rock is quite disagreeable. I am rather folkie.' "Its race in the Seventies with a pop group called Boys Soft began, but today it apostatizes totally of that world. 'The previous generation and the present one have grown with the rock. I belong to the first generation that grew with the rock. But quickly one became the form to make much money for few people. That one is. " Lapsing of five years the professional way that Hitchcock has chosen is less the most journeyed. One has stayed in reduced circles more. "'I have stayed well thus. If you are cautious with the money you can live well. I it have not been, but I follow ahead. The average of professional subsistence in the world of the rock is of about five years. You obtain during five years and raisins the rest of your life in recovery, in a house of rest or something similar. But there is people with long term projects, and I consider one of them. He would please me to be like John Lee Hooker or Martin Carthy, the English singer folk, who began the 20 years and will continue singing until the day of their death,' affirms. For years Hitchcock he has been presenting/displaying an acoustic spectacle, as soon as accompanied by some musician of support. 'When I arrived at the 40 I gave account of which it did not desire to me to go more with a band. Sad that is a little to go that way with a group of men, unless you need the money.' - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:36:24 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." MC 900 Ft Eb rapped: >Oh, gawwwwwd. There's NOTHING more pathetic/anal-retentive/weenie-esque >than folks who post their record collections on the Web. i generally agree with you if it's just a list of the albums that you own. however, it's another thing to have useful information about albums (release date, catalog number, session musicians, reviews, etc.) in some sort of database -- whether a text file, a geewhiz-bang relational database or somewhere in between. i doubt you'll concur on the latter point, but i wouldn't expect a highly weeniephobic chap such as yourself to anyways. gotta maintain that critique-cool veneer, eh? ;) >But yes, I do "literally" have a database for my own use, which I set up >with FileMaker Pro. It basically stores title, artist, year, label and >format, plus another tiny field which isn't worth explaining. ;) "wheeee! factor". woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:56:11 -0800 (PST) From: fred is ted Subject: "Sue pours the cognac over the frying placenta, which then bursts into flames" Above quote from the Feb. Harper's, which has a transcript of the Brit. cooking show that featured a placenta pate Nothing like a beloved family recipe... Oh let's see... Like Feb.Eb, I grew up bombarded :) by classical music. My Dad listened to/played it constantly. He will even, gasp, defend Tchaikovsky! Did anyone mention Buxtehude during the classical thread? He rawked, as did Bach's organ works. The heavy metal of its era, mann! Eb mentioned the awesome ending to "Big Night," to which I say, "Grande Serata" is a fave movie of the past few years. It had all the good stuff: Italian food, family, love, sex, Caddies, music and more. Great in every way. I'm sure the list went over the movie went it first came out, but I gotta put in my two cents. Eddie "The WTO Welcome Panzerkampfwagen" Tews ref'd a bottlerocket gun. Ahh, cloudland revisited. My buddy Marko cooked up bottlerocket guns along these lines: copper tubes for the barrel and stock, a plexiglass exhaust shield, Radio Shack pushbuttons for the triggers, and battery-fired igniters to actually light the rocket fuses. The idea was that we would stalk each other in the flora out back, but since the whole firing and aiming procedure was fraught with mishap, spooked civilian pheasants ended up at the top of the casualty list. Disclaimer: no quails were harmed in the use of these weapons of miss-destruction G-Nat averred that "The Thin Red Line" waned at the end. Yup. I mean, just why *was* George Clooney in there? A ridiculous, jarring cameo. Symptomatic of a movie where character development was unwisely sacrificed in the pursuit, I would guess, of Creating a Mood and Sending a Message. Uhh, RH content? If you get M2, you can tape the lame (Lichtenstein-influenced?) video for "So You Think You're In Love" at 12:45 or so Tues. morning. OK? Ted "Yeah, we get high on music" Kim Deal _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:09:10 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: jon brion ever wonder what jon brion does at largo when robyn isn't there to join him? take a looksee at and find out. woj, fondly remembering the bb gun battles of his youth (made more interesting by always having one less weapon than combatant) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:27:42 -0800 From: Mark_Gloster@3com.com Subject: fegdream #371.8 "Hola, tengo una torta del urinal para usted. Utilice por favor helar feliz y haga una torta acodada del urinal para el partido de la boda. Pienso que eso que usa algo de placenta para a adorne las marcas el postre más interesante." This was from a Spanish cooking show on the Feg Channel I saw in a dream. I was trying to pick up some hints for hosting a double fegwedding for Eb and The Great Quail and LJ and Danielle, but I was a bit confused about who was marrying whom. I was pretty sure that somebody was going to be unhappy if I followed the wedding cake recipe. I woke up before the wedding happened, so I really never found out how it all turned out. I made up parts of the dream I can't remember. - - Fuzzy Memories of Fegdinner before Storefront San Fran - I don't know what to say to Eddie. All was pretty funny that night. Most of my humor requires interactivity, the routines aren't terribly planned, and when they are they get stale. Surrounded with clever, quick, smart people who want to laugh; knowing something about them; and being lucky enough to be able to grasp the words I needed to get out of my vault added up to a good evening of comedy. I do wish I could remember more of the funny stuff, but fear that the chemistry made the laughs more than the material. Eddie and Jeme were great at telling funny stories and lobbing easy pitches for me to knock out of the park. Of course, the rest of the gang was zinging when they could get a word in (with J, E, and Sharkboy present, this is damn near impossible.) Umm. I should thank others who were not in attendance who furnished us with material, as well. George Bush is still getting me laughs. I was cracking my brother (the one who used to do stand-up comedy at competitions) up on the chair lift yesterday doing Bush as a snowboarder. George, being of frighteningly starchy underwear makes his voice the best to use for colorful lingo. "Me and Babbs were takin some big air, huckin off the cornices, doin' that snorkeling thing through the pow pow. She was gettin pretty radical, doin' some gnar mute grabs and takin' it to the mountain. I was sayin, 'yo, yo, sista, get down on it. You go girl-sister, do it to it!'" After doing this for a few minutes, I thought that GB should cover the x games. Maybe I should send them a tape of me doing Bush doing color commentary. Thanks Eddie. Happies, - -Markg "What am I, a fucking clown? Just here for your amusement?" - -did I say that? "Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow." - -The Reno High School fight song ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:24:21 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Plumb at NTAC Subject: Alternative Top 100 The Guardian (an English newpaper) has published a list of the top 100 albums after excluding what it calls established classics. Established classics are albums which regularly appear in various top 100 lists published in Rolling Stone, Q, Mojo, Spin, etc. It can be found at Interestingly nothing done by Robyn appears anywhere on either of these lists. However it's a pretty neat list albeit with a major English bias. == Richard Plumb reply to either: rplumb@cais.com or billytell@yahoo.com webpage: http://www.dc.net/rplumb/ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:52:46 +0000 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys Letter in the Guardian today (about the alternative top 100, which included Nick Drake): Regarding your "alternative" top 100 albums, I would suggest that this was no more than a continuation of the list which would normally be compiled in such polls. The whole point of having an alternative chart is to recognise that there is a wealth of magnificent music beyond the usual realm of popular charts, radio playlists and music industry hype. Yet with the exception of Nick Drake ... almost all these records were chart hits at the time of release. Where was any mention of Leon Rosselson Robb Johnson Roy Bailey Van der Graaf Generator Peter Blegvad Cassiber Henry Cow Peter Hammill or the Soft Boys among many others who are or have been creating music which is of immeasurable value to our cultural heritage? Peter Ostrowski Wickford Essex MRG comments: Leon Rosselson is a long-established witty left-wing songwriter - I saw him in London in the 60s. Roy Bailey is another, more bluff left-wing songwriter - I saw him in a band with Martin Carthy and other notables a year or so ago. Peter Hammill was formerly leader of Vandergraaf Generator, who made a hell of a lot of noise the one time I saw them, in the early 70s(?). Henry Cow, Peter Blegvad and Slapp Happy were involved with a gang of experimental free jazz-rockers in the 70s/80s including Fred Frith. You all know about the Soft Boys. I have never heard of Cassiber or Robb Johnson. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:19:21 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys > Regarding your "alternative" top 100 albums, I would suggest that this was > no more than a continuation of the list which would normally be compiled > in such polls. The whole point of having an alternative chart is to > recognise that there is a wealth of magnificent music beyond the usual > realm of popular charts, radio playlists and music industry hype. Yet with > the exception of Nick Drake ... almost all these records were chart hits > at the time of release. I'm gonna have to at least partially agree with Mike on this one. I mean, how can you possibly call A Hard Day's Night an alternative album?! It came out in the midst of Beatlemania and was instantly loved by everyone. The Beatles are one of the most *least* alternative bands I can think of. Doesn't alternative mean that it's "an alternaive to the mainstream"?? So, including others on this list like David Bowie, The Beach Boys, and The Rolling Stones is just plain ridiculous. They were "mainstream" bands, not "alternative." It would be different if they had listed David Bowie's first solo album which was originally released in the late 60's, although no one ever bought a copy. But instead, they listed Young Americans, which came out during his first peak in popularity. In fact, didn't Fame reach number 1? However, there were many people on the list who did not sound familiar to me. But that doesn't mean they weren't chart toppers. I don't usually pay attention to charts. But I guess some of them could be truly "alternative" bands. And I personally can't understand why they'd put both Bryter Layter and Five Leaves Left in the top 5, but put Pink Moon at #80. IMHO, Pink Moon is a much better album than the other two. But that's just my opinion. And I also can't understand how someone could even begin to make a list of the top 100 "alternative" or "non-mainstream," albums of all time, and not include Robyn Hitchcock. Later Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:12:02 PST From: "Capitalism Blows" Subject: Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." > wojey-boy has already touched on this. but, eb, you don't strike me as someone who'd be more worried about whether something is "cool" or "hip" than whether it's useful or interesting. now, i'd thought your database had something like 13,000 items in it, not 2,500. and i assumed that it'd have tracklistings. so that does make a difference. but i still think it'd be very cool to have online, and could be a great resource (as could the gondola list --which, if i may say it, is itself rather a weinerriffic undertaking-- if only you'd bother to publicise it.) because you know what, eb? i *trust* your opinion! i think you've great taste in music (except for that tool and wesley willis blind spot...) i'd really dig getting to root around in a database that i could be confident would have mostly music that i'd like in it. if you simply don't feel like sharing, or don't have the time it'd take to put into it, then that's one thing. but to ridicule the idea simply out of fear that it'd one day show up on some dipwad's list of stoopid websites seems to me awfully myopic. <"Lamentably, the limitations of the language can change the tone of the spectacle. 'He is different in each place. If I am in Spain, for example, I try to speak in Spanish, although my vocabulary is reduced to 75 words,' explains.> this reminds me. the 11/5/96 show in vancouver, introducing Balloon Man, robyn said, "in spain, this song is called El ______ Globo, which literally means, 'the large dude.'" i've just never been able to figure out what that missing word is. anybody know? when i finally get around to compiling a tape of all the different Balloon Man intro and song variations, that's what i wanna call it. <"Its race in the Seventies with a pop group called Boys Soft began, but today it apostatizes totally of that world. 'The previous generation and the present one have grown with the rock. I belong to the first generation that grew with the rock. But quickly one became the form to make much money for few people. That one is. " Lapsing of five years the professional way that Hitchcock has chosen is less the most journeyed. One has stayed in reduced circles more.> gotta admit, that's one HELL of a cool paragraph! the new issue of Multinational Monitor has a quite good article about micro$chlong. probably won't have updated their website yet, but check back periodically (or look for it on the newsstand.) . http://leb.net/iac/ "As we often see in US foreign policy, other nations' attempts to defend themselves from US attacks are defined as aggression." --Jake Sexton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:00:30 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Song Listings for Ram's Head and GAMH? So, yeah, that's what I'm lookin' for. Got the DATs and am getting ready to brun some copies for my branches and would like to know what's on these shows! I haven't even had a chance to listen to them, but the little bits I've heard have been fantastic, both in terms of performance and recording quality. Oh, and happy belated (well, early, now) birthday, Bayard -- wish I coulda been there for the chorus! - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:50:52 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: the critic, aka, SATAN On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, amadain wrote: > A critic neither makes nor breaks a band. What makes or breaks a band is > whether or not they find an audience niche. however, some sorts of music appeal more to the sort of people who take critics' opinions more seriously. and though i too have rushed out to buy a record based on a negative-but-expressive review of it, some critics are very good at making it sound like they know whether you'd like the band and then tearing them down. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:54:40 EST From: MARKEEFE@aol.com Subject: Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys In a message dated 99-02-02 12:29:52 EST, Joel wrote: << I'm gonna have to at least partially agree with Mike on this one. I mean, how can you possibly call A Hard Day's Night an alternative album?! Doesn't alternative mean that it's "an alternaive to the mainstream"?? So, including others on this list like David Bowie, The Beach Boys, and The Rolling Stones is just plain ridiculous. They were "mainstream" bands, not "alternative." >> Well, the whole idea was to make a list which is an alternative to the usual lists, not to make a list of alternative albums -- that's how I read it, anyway. You know, like when you're reading all those "best albums ever" lists and think, "Why the hell didn't they put ____ on there?!" So, in that regard, I actually thought "Hard Days Night" was an excellent choice, as it's my favorite pre-"Rubber Soul" album. Also, while the Beach Boys were at one time a very mainstream band, by the time the early 70's albums included on the list came out, the Boys were hopelessly out of vogue, but still putting out good music. I gotta agree with ya on the Stones, though. I doubt they've ever seen a time of unpopularity (a natural waning over the years in album sales, probably, but never a period of slipping completely outside of the ranks of pop culture). Hey, and what about some fucking Kinks albums on there, eh! Like Nick Drake, I think people are only just waking up to the glorious 1966-1969 Kinks albums, therefore making them quite eligible for the kind of list these folks put together . . . unless they're British . . . oh, I bet they're British, right? Nevermind. << And I personally can't understand why they'd put both Bryter Layter and Five Leaves Left in the top 5, but put Pink Moon at #80. IMHO, Pink Moon is a much better album than the other two. But that's just my opinion. >> I can't understand why they felt like they had to include all three Drake albums, thereby excluding plenty of other good stuff. And I *really* like Nick Drake! Also, I think *most* people would pick either "Five Leaves" or "Pink Moon" over "Bryter Layter" . . . which is a really good album, but never seemed as important as the other two. It's certainly not *the best* album that never makes it onto the regular lists. C'mon! << And I also can't understand how someone could even begin to make a list of the top 100 "alternative" or "non-mainstream," albums of all time, and not include Robyn Hitchcock. >> Yeah! No, seriously. Albums like "Element of Light" and "Eye" never make these lists, despite always getting really good ratings. Then again, this list was probably made up by one or two people, judging from the biases towards Nich Drake, Joni Mitchell and Iggy Pop. Still, there are a few things on there that I'm not familiar with that I might want to check out sometime. And it was an interesting idea. - ------Michael K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:06:55 -0800 From: Joel Mullins Subject: Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys MARKEEFE@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 99-02-02 12:29:52 EST, Joel wrote: > > << I'm gonna have to at least partially agree with Mike on this one. I > mean, how can you possibly call A Hard Day's Night an alternative > album?! Doesn't alternative mean that it's "an alternaive to > the mainstream"?? So, including others on this list like David Bowie, > The Beach Boys, and The Rolling Stones is just plain ridiculous. They > were "mainstream" bands, not "alternative." >> > > Well, the whole idea was to make a list which is an alternative to the > usual lists, not to make a list of alternative albums Well, maybe we should make a list which is an alternative to the lists that are an alternative to the usual lists. - --Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:17:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Alternative top 100 and Soft Boys I skimmed the list...wasn't much interested in it, because I hate the UK music press and it was a stupid concept for a list anyway. And then I see two Band albums, prominently placed? Talk about "established classics".... Eb np: bad stuff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: "rug pee-ers did not do this." On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Capitalism Blows wrote: > this reminds me. the 11/5/96 show in vancouver, introducing Balloon > Man, robyn said, "in spain, this song is called El ______ Globo, which > literally means, 'the large dude.'" i've just never been able to figure > out what that missing word is. anybody know? when i finally get around > to compiling a tape of all the different Balloon Man intro and song > variations, that's what i wanna call it. Well, the way Robyn translates and the way I'm pretty sure I heard it on the CD Bayard gave me for my birthday (THANKS!) it's El Hombre Globo. But that's just me. Je. ________________________________________________________ J A Brelin Capuchin ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V8 #34 ******************************